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Webheads chat logs from
October 29-Nov 3, 2001
Meet the people in these chats
and Rif's and Yaodong's
students in Bolu, Turkey and Liuzhou, China
|
Preparations:
A
previous appearance at Webheads by Rif's students | Announcing the Nov 4th and 7th conference events |
Making plans for the Oct 31 Practice |
The Oct 31 Chat session| The
Nov 4 chat session | The Nov 7 live T2T2001
conference appearance | The Nov 11 ELT Online
Conference virtual presentation | More info on these events at
http://www.vancestevens.com/papers
This was a practice session for the live conference event coming up
November 7, 2001, 12:00 GMT, at the Teacher to Teacher conference in Abu Dhabi,
Concurrent Session #1 at
http://www.mli.ac.ae/conference/t2t2001/schedule/default.asp.
In its most ambitious endeavor to date, Webheads managed to connect two classes
half a world away from each other using live voice and text chat, and 2-way
video web cams. Using his co-presentation as a catylist for the event, Rif got
his class of computer-assisted language learning students in Bolu Turkey
interacting with Yaodong's English language class in Liuzhou, China. Each side
took photos, and some of these and other records of the event are presented in
this web page.
Rif has more pictures up here:
http://saa.ibu.edu.tr/altun/pics.html
Rif's
students have made some interesting comments here:
http://saa.ibu.edu.tr/altun/ogr.html
See
pics from a previous visit of Rif's class to Webheads here:
http://sites.hsprofessional.com/vstevens/files/efi/chat2001/wfw010527.htm
Vance sends
email announcing the events
Subject: [efiwebheads] All are welcome to join us for chat session with
Turkish students, Wed Oct 31, noon GMT
Date: Mon, 29 Oct
2001 23:50:40 +0400
From: Vance Stevens
<vstevens@emirates.net.ae>
To: Webheads
<efiwebheads@yahoogroups.com>
Hi everyone,
Our next round of live online conference presentations is coming up
soon. Our next conference performance will be Wed, Nov 7, at noon GMT. We're on
the schedule at
http://www.mli.ac.ae/conference/t2t2001/schedule/default.asp
from 4:00-4:50 Wednesday, which is noon to 12:50 GMT
But to prepare for it, we are meeting THIS Wednesday, October 31 at
noon GMT. Noon to 12:50 to be exact.
Where? Tapped In, http://www.tappedin.org, and /join vances
when you get there
Backup location if Tapped In is down:
http://www.homestead.com/vstevens
And we plan to use Yahoo Messenger voice and webcam chat
You can download Yahoo Messenger at:
http://messenger.yahoo.com/messenger/download/index.html
More information on Tapped In and Yahoo Messenger:
http://sites.hsprofessional.com/vstevens/files/efi/software.htm
We have a topic: Students' perceptions of joining online communities
from a distance
We have a group gathering: Rif and his class of 10-15
Turkish university students
Meet them at:
http://sites.hsprofessional.com/vstevens/files/efi/chat2001/wfw010527.htm
What will happen?
Well, you never know what will happen with
Webheads, chaos navigators supreme.
But read below if you'd like to get
some idea.
Everyone is welcome. We'd love to have you join us.
See you there
(and this is on the REAL Halloween, by the way)
Vance
Making Plans
Vance and Rif
make plans in ICQ - Oct 29, 2001
rif 10/29/01 1:06 PM Hi Vance...
morning
Vance 10/29/01 1:06 PM hey Rif, caught me at a good time
rif 10/29/01 1:07 PM cool.. getting prepared for the meetings?
Vance 10/29/01 1:07 PM I've got half an hour now
rif 10/29/01 1:08 PM Hey, listen I have about 50 students but the
problem is I don't have the equipment for most of them. I announced the classes
I teach (two of them- one of which you met some), and most of them said they
would love to join...
rif 10/29/01 1:08 PM But, I think I would have about 10-15 people
participate both for wednesday and the conference day, what do you think?
Vance 10/29/01 1:09 PM Someone was in my office. I sent him away.
Vance 10/29/01 1:10 PM That sounds fine. Would you be able to join the
Yahoo voice chat?
rif 10/29/01 1:10 PM I can install the program tomorrow. I never tried
it before though
Vance 10/29/01 1:10 PM Or how would you like them to participate?
Vance 10/29/01 1:11 PM You should try the voice chat. They would love
it. And with that I can show you my web cam and the conference hall where we'll
be presenting, and they can see the audience
rif 10/29/01 1:11 PM I will be able to manage 5 computer stations, but I
was thinking to train some, if they want, so that they can join outside
rif 10/29/01 1:11 PM is it downloadable at yahoo.com?
Vance 10/29/01 1:12 PM That would be fine. You know that usually we meet
in Tapped In. That's a good place.
Vance 10/29/01 1:12 PM If you prepare a url somewhere you could project
it.
rif 10/29/01 1:12 PM so I assume yahoo voice chat has also video
capabilities
Vance 10/29/01 1:13 PM yes, Yahoo Msgr is here:
http://messenger.yahoo.com/messenger/download/index.html
rif 10/29/01 1:13 PM so, shall we get to the tapped in in the
conference, too?
Vance 10/29/01 1:14 PM tapped in is a good place to meet because it
keeps a transcript
rif 10/29/01 1:15 PM ok, in your office? Vance 10/29/01 1:15 PM Yes, you
just type /join vances to reach where I am
Vance 10/29/01 1:16 PM Can you visit this page:
http://sites.hsprofessional.com/vstevens/files/efi/webheads.htm
rif 10/29/01 1:16 PM ok.... for wednesday, I will make the computers
ready for yahoo voice chat, and tapped in information for students. I can also
take my cam with me to the school, and I can install it in one of the rooms.
Vance 10/29/01 1:17 PM Excellent. Here, try this page, better ...
http://sites.hsprofessional.com/vstevens/files/efi/software.htm
Vance 10/29/01 1:17 PM I've just updated it, so it's accurate more or
less
Vance 10/29/01 1:19 PM Can you check that page now? I can point out some
instructions ..
rif 10/29/01 1:19 PM I am now at the software.htm page
Vance 10/29/01 1:20 PM ok, at the top of each Webheads page there's a
rundown of our chat sites
rif 10/29/01 1:20 PM yes..
Vance 10/29/01 1:21 PM and in the table just below you can find links to
instructions on reaching tapped in and what to expect on Yahoo Messenger
rif 10/29/01 1:21 PM ok...
rif 10/29/01 1:22 PM
http://www.vance_stevens.com/findbuds.htm#tappedin that lýnk
seems to be a dead lýnk
Vance 10/29/01 1:22 PM We will find each other on ICQ of course, but if
there is any problem with Tapped In we should use Homestead - (checking the
link)
rif 10/29/01 1:23 PM ok, the one at the bottom works, but the one on the
right side cell does not
Vance 10/29/01 1:23 PM I see the problem. It's supposed to be
vancestevens.com I'll fix it.
Vance 10/29/01 1:24 PM thanks for letting me know
rif 10/29/01 1:24 PM np
Vance 10/29/01 1:25 PM I'll make an announcement on Webheads that we are
meeting on Wed at noon. I think for this one no need to invite the world. We'll
keep it informal.
rif 10/29/01 1:25 PM is this a 30-min session?
rif 10/29/01 1:25 PM that 's a good idea1
Vance 10/29/01 1:25 PM Let me find you the url
rif 10/29/01 1:26 PM I have it!
Vance 10/29/01 1:26 PM Here there's an announcement of our 'tentative'
session which I will change
http://www.geocities.com/vance_stevens//papers
and a link to the conference site
rif 10/29/01 1:27 PM I am half way down to install yahoo
Vance 10/29/01 1:28 PM good :-) The schedule is here:
http://www.mli.ac.ae/conference/t2t2001/schedule/default.asp
and we're 4:00-4:50 wed, which is noon to 12:50 GMT
Vance 10/29/01 1:29 PM Would you like for there to be any structure? A
topic for example?
rif 10/29/01 1:30 PM yes, I was thinking about it! How about projecting
students' experiences both in a written and spoken form from students? such as
students' perceptions of joining online communities from a distance? Or would
you have any other suggestions?
Vance 10/29/01 1:31 PM GOOD one: students' perceptions of joining online
communities from a distance
rif 10/29/01 1:31 PM do you have that paper available in digital format?
I would be interested in reading it
Designing a CALL facility from bottom to top at the Military Language
Institute in Abu Dhabi
Vance 10/29/01 1:32 PM Yes, I'm sure I do. I'll put getting it up there
on my list of things to do
rif 10/29/01 1:32 PM actually, a friend of mine did a doctoral
dissertation on using tapped in, maybe we can use some references from there
too, to back up
Vance 10/29/01 1:33 PM There's soomone else who wants it as well
Vance 10/29/01 1:33 PM That would make interesting reading. Maybe we can
collaborate on a paper afterwards. There's always a proceedings in fact.
rif 10/29/01 1:33 PM cool
rif 10/29/01 1:35 PM actually I have more information about students and
their demographic characteristics. Would that be also interesting to
mention
rif 10/29/01 1:35 PM is your time up to leave?
Vance 10/29/01 1:36 PM In a few minutes I have to leave. I suppose we
can get together on Wed with the students and talk about what we'll do. This
sounds like fun.
Vance 10/29/01 1:37 PM If they have any writings or demographic info, we
could develop a website for it and link to it from Webheads
rif 10/29/01 1:37 PM yeap. so let me know if you need demographic info,
such as their self perceptions on computer level, attitudes toward
communcicating with computers, etc.
rif 10/29/01 1:38 PM ok... we can do that as well. I collected a lot of
demographic data for the study I carry on...
Vance 10/29/01 1:38 PM Yes, eventually, of course, that would go well in
the proceeds
Vance 10/29/01 1:38 PM I guess I should be going. I'll look for you
again tomorrow?
rif 10/29/01 1:39 PM ok take care...
rif 10/29/01 1:40 PM I am around today and tomorrow most of the day
Vance 10/29/01 1:40 PM ok, around this time ??
rif 10/29/01 1:40 PM yeap
Vance 10/29/01 1:40 PM ok, see you then.
rif 10/29/01 1:41 PM bye
Vance 10/29/01 1:41 PM ciao for niao
rif 10/29/01 1:41 PM ari_altun2001 for my yahoo ID
rif 10/29/01 1:41 PM sorry arif_altun2001
Vance 10/29/01 1:42 PM ok
Vance 10/29/01 1:43 PM adding you now. I'm vance_stevens
Vance and Rif
touch base Oct 30, 2001
rif 10/30/01 3:41 PM hi
Vance 10/30/01 6:00 PM Hey RIf, I was just about to go home. Would you
like to fire up Yahoo before I head out?
rif 10/30/01 6:01 PM hi there/ I had a terrible connection here\ I
couldnt install it to my laptop yet
rif 10/30/01 6:01 PM but my friend has one accont, if you can hang
around for another 5-10 min, I can see to it
Vance 10/30/01 6:02 PM oh, ok, well it should go ok tomorrow.
Vance 10/30/01 6:02 PM ok, I can hang around that long if you want me
to.
rif 10/30/01 6:02 PM cool\ hold on a sec
Vance 10/30/01 6:03 PM on hold
rif 10/31/01 11:39 PM hey
Vance and
Yaodong try out Yahoo voice chat Oct 30, 2001
vance_stevens: Hang on, I'm starting a voice chat from here.
jjcyd: will u invite me? now?
/ok?
vance_stevens: ok
jjcyd: heard us?
jjcyd: here?
vance_stevens: Yaodong, are you here?
vance_stevens: are you there Yaodong?
jjcyd: greaT!!!!
vance_stevens: any luck?
jjcyd: to me
jjcyd: i am so glad . no jtey are gone
jjcyd: hear me?
jjcyd: that is a problem
jjcyd: so i will ask the technician for help
jjcyd: he might connect the micro for me
jjcyd: good ,thanks a lot.
jjcyd: you have a golden voice
jjcyd: great!!!
jjcyd: nice to see you.
jjcyd: i saw u waving to me
jjcyd: sure
jjcyd: how my students will feel when they come
jjcyd: they will be very excited
jjcyd: thank god for this technoligoy
jjcyd: technology
jjcyd: tmorow morning
jjcyd: and tomorrow evening
jjcyd: i have 2 classes
jjcyd: what will your time
vance_stevens: http://www.vancestevens.com/papers
jjcyd: webhead ?
vance_stevens: noon GMT Wed Oct 31
jjcyd: let me note it donw
jjcyd: from turkey?
vance_stevens: noon to 12:50 we have a class from Turkey joining
us
jjcyd: at noon?
jjcyd: good
vance_stevens: efiwebheads-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
vance_stevens: lost the voice server, waiting
jjcyd: i will do that assp
jjcyd: how was the holleyween party thatnight?
vance_stevens: anyway, you send email to that address to get on
our mailing list for events
jjcyd: what time is it there now?
vance_stevens: 9 a.m. (GMT +4)
jjcyd: 9:00 in the moring there?/close to gulin called
liuzhou
jjcyd: it is 1:00 pm
jjcyd: it is south to guilin
jjcyd: find it on www.queencity.com/sca
jjcyd: www.queencity.com/sca/liuzhou_html
jjcyd: wheere are you? in
California?
jjcyd: it is 1:00 in hte afternoon here.
jjcyd: liuzhou
jjcyd: about sister city liuzhou
vance_stevens: Abu Dhabi, United Arab Emirates
jjcyd: find it?
jjcyd: liuzhou?
jjcyd: see the picture?
vance_stevens: http://www.queencity.com/sca/tour_liuzhou.htm
vance_stevens: http://www.vancestevens.com/caving.htm
jjcyd: see it?
jjcyd: sure, cakes?
vance_stevens: cakes?
vance_stevens: I see the fountain square I think
vance_stevens: very pretty
jjcyd: see it?
vance_stevens: I'll send this link out to the webheads
jjcyd has enabled voice
conference. (10/30/01 at 9:02 AM)
jjcyd: i cannot log on to ...caving.htm
jjcyd: notyet
jjcyd: still logging
vance_stevens: Geocities is probably blocked in China
vance_stevens: it's a geocities site
jjcyd: is it www.geocities.com/vance_stevens?
vance_stevens: yes /caving.htm
jjcyd: it is going nowhere
vance_stevens: Geocities is blocked in China I think. This one is
probably ok.
jjcyd: behind firewalls?
jjcyd: i can watch CNN online here ,though
vance_stevens: I think you are in China. It's just geocities and
maybe Tripod.
vance_stevens: Homestead is ok I think. Try this one:
vance_stevens: http://sites.hsprofessional.com/vstevens/files/efi/webheads.htm
vance_stevens: my web cam is slowing my computer
vance_stevens: I'm going to turn it off now
jjcyd: ok
jjcyd: got it, good!!!
jjcyd: at what tiem?
vance_stevens: ok, I have to go because I'm taking up the phone
line
vance_stevens: Tomorrow, noon GMT
jjcyd: it is 1:10
jjcyd: pm
jjcyd: gmt+8
jjcyd: your time zone?
jjcyd: good!!!
jjcyd: see you then. many thanks. great!!!
jjcyd:
jjcyd: thanks again.
vance_stevens: http://www.mli.ac.ae/conference/
vance_stevens: http://lightning.prohosting.com/~vstevens/t2t2001/proposal_webheads.htm
vance_stevens: We're practicing tomorrow for our conference
appearance
jjcyd: nice ot meet /see you
jjcyd: htank again
jjcyd:
vance_stevens: ok, bye
jjcyd: bye
jjcyd:
Rif and Vance
try out Yahoo voice chat Oct 30, 2001
vance_stevens: sorry, I had to restart too
vance_stevens: any better? Can you hear?
arif_altun2001: hey there
vance_stevens: ok? Working?
arif_altun2001: coolll
vance_stevens: can you hear me clearly?
vance_stevens: YOur voice is breaking up badly
vance_stevens: I couldn't understand you actually
vance_stevens: Are you going to join us from that connection
tomorrow?
arif_altun2001: what
happened?
arif_altun2001: cool we can see you here
vance_stevens: waiting for permission from you
vance_stevens: I can't see your yet
arif_altun2001: maybe you can turn yours
off ýf ýt helps
vance_stevens: The voice server shut down
vance_stevens: Still waiting for permission from you (it says
here)
arif_altun2001: yeap... how about the
motýon
vance_stevens: I can't see yours yet
arif_altun2001: it did aks me the
permission rýght now
arif_altun2001: I can see you smile
arif_altun2001: I have two colleagues
next to me who will join us tomorrow
vance_stevens: great
arif_altun2001: sound is
dstorting
vance_stevens: ok, I should shut down my camera
arif_altun2001: this is
fahrettin
vance_stevens: hi. I 'm going to shut down to try to see you.
arif_altun2001: ok..
arif_altun2001: this is
Selmin
arif_altun2001: yeap
vance_stevens: Hi Selmin. Can you hear me better now.
vance_stevens: We base ourselves in tapped in
vance_stevens: network path not found?
arif_altun2001: no, it is the
applet
vance_stevens: your computer is java enabled?
vance_stevens: your browser?
arif_altun2001: ie 5
arif_altun2001: i need to catch a class
now, but i will make sure it works tomorrow..since the problem is not the
server
vance_stevens: ok, well, it's just a practice session
vance_stevens: We'll find something that works
arif_altun2001: so itis going to be 2.00
pm in Turkish time
arif_altun2001: ý did not get
your last sentence
vance_stevens: I thnk that's right. It's 4:30 htere now?
arif_altun2001: it is 4:30 here
too
arif_altun2001: ythere =<
here
arif_altun2001: ok that,s enough to
boogle :*)
vance_stevens: 6:30 in abu dhabi, 4:30 there?
arif_altun2001: my friends say bye
too
arif_altun2001: catch you
tomorrow....
Yahoo! Messenger: arif_altun2001
has logged back in. (10/30/01 at 6:44 PM)
Sue notices
Vance's web cam Oct 30, 2001
mysailing: hi, vance, your camera works well
vance_stevens: hi sue
vance_stevens: I'm with Rif right now
vance_stevens: and rif is trying to broadcast to me
mysailing: oh, i see. he is using
web camera too?
vance_stevens: arif_altun2001
mysailing: can i see two cameras at
same time?
vance_stevens: can you see RIf?
mysailing: no, i can not open his
webcam
vance_stevens: ok, I have to shut mine down to try to see
his.
vance_stevens: ok, now we can try to see Rif. Have you added
him?
mysailing: yeah, but can not open
his still
vance_stevens: You said you could see two cameras. What was the
other one?
mysailing: no, i said i can not see
two cameras.
vance_stevens: Rif is turning his off too
vance_stevens: We're going to try to broadcast is
vance_stevens: his I mean
mysailing: you saw his camera a
moment ago?
vance_stevens: no, not yet
vance_stevens: I'm trying tapped in
mysailing: no camera?
vance_stevens: not yet, we're trying tapped in
mysailing: ok, i see
vance_stevens: rif is having trouble. Can you get there?
mysailing: tapped in? ok, let me
try
mysailing has enabled voice
conference. (10/30/01 at 6:44 PM)
mysailing: i see, i can not find my mic now
mysailing: good
night
mysailing: bye
Sue and Vance pop over to
Tapped In
Connected to TAPPED IN on Tue Oct 30 06:36:27 2001
PST.
VanceS teleports to the reception.
Stopped recording in VanceS's Office (#12249) at Tue Oct 30 06:37:15
2001 PST.
Started recording in Reception (#268)[TappedIn] at Tue Oct 30 06:37:15
2001 PST.
VanceS says, "hi bjb"
sue has connected.
VanceS says, "Hi Sue. Rif is having trouble getting here."
VanceS says, "But it seems ok for you."
sue [guest] says, "Hi, it seems there are a lot of person here"
VanceS says, "You know we're meeting here at noon gmt tomorrow."
VanceS says, "Yeah, there must be a class on"
sue [guest] says, "I know, i read the mail. I would try to come
here"
VanceS says, "Ok, that will be nice."
VanceS asks, "How are things?"
BJB [Teaching] waves hi to Vance and Sue
sue [guest] says, "HiBF"
VanceS says, "Hi."
sue [guest] says, "HI"
VanceS says, "We're just practicing for the practice tomorrow"
sue [guest] says, "everything is fine"
PattiSu has connected.
VanceS says, "I think I'm going to go home. 7 pm here and I'm
tired."
sue [guest] says, "ok,bye Vance, good night"
VanceS says, "ok, nice to see you."
sue [guest] says, "i am leaving to sleep too, midnight now"
sue [guest] says, "bye"
VanceS says, "that's late. See you tomoorrow"
You hear a quiet popping sound; SRI_23 [guest] has disconnected.
AaronA has connected.
BraskaW arrives from nowhere.
BraskaW's personal recorder follows BraskaW to here.
You hear a quiet popping sound; AaronA has lost his link.
You hear a quiet popping sound; BJB [Teaching] has lost her link.
MatthewV has connected.
You hear a quiet popping sound; VanceS [Webheaded] has lost his
link.
Disconnected from TAPPED IN on Tue Oct 30 07:02:39 2001 PST.
Vance and
Yaodong make final preparations Oct 31, 2001
jjcyd: Hello!
nice to see you again. how are things going there? /preparing for today's
conference at the moment?
vance_stevens: Hi. Yes, preparing for a number of conferences
vance_stevens: Today's is a practice for the actual event Nov 7,
noon GMT
jjcyd: I feel
excited at the thought my students will be seeing you and your students this
evening here. 
vance_stevens: Great. We look forward to meeting you as well. And
putting a class in Turkey in touch with a class in China is a fine
accomplishment.
jjcyd: i tis
bad we don't have webcam but i can transfer pictures taken in the class to you
then.
vance_stevens: Yes, that would be great. We'll put anything you
send us on our website and keep a record of the event on the Internet
jjcyd: great!!! by the way, wheer are you in Turkey?
vance_stevens: I'm in Abu Dhabi at the MLI,
http://www.mli.ac.ae
vance_stevens: Arif Altun is at the University of Nigde in
Turkey
vance_stevens: That's between Istanbul and Ankara
vance_stevens: I never did look up your location on a map. Can
you give me the name of the city one more time (so I can spell it correctly in
a map search)
jjcyd: ok,
Liuzhou is the city. It is in the middle of guangxi Province.
jjcyd: Abu
Dhabi must be a beautiful place.
vance_stevens: It is. I have a map here showing Guilin
jjcyd: liuzhou is in the south of guilin, 2 hours by car./u ever been to
guilin?
vance_stevens: No, I've been to Hong Kong and Macau, and Beijing
and Hohhot and Kashgar in Xingjang Province
jjcyd: welcome to Guilin one day!
vance_stevens: I'll have to make another visit to China. I'm
making a lot of friends there.
vance_stevens: Welcome to Abu Dhabi !!
jjcyd: chance
for me to go abroad is slim. i don't regret having been born now that i have
been to West Europe, fiananced by the State Educational commission,
vance_stevens: Where did you go?
jjcyd: Holland for one year and i travelled ot other EU countires,too.
a great time!!!
vance_stevens: Did you live in Holland for a year?
jjcyd: yes,
364 days...
vance_stevens: almost a year
vance_stevens: almost a year (I got a message that my message
wasn't sent just now)
jjcyd: we
used to cycle to Germany from a border city in Holland called nijmegen, lots of
fun! we looked for peanuts in the woods along the border...
jjcyd: Vance,
i have made a slide show for my class next week. i used power point but the
file is very big as i have 70 pictures( slides) in it. how can i 'split' it and
then save in my floppy disc, i am unsure of winzip.
vance_stevens: You could convert it to html (but you'd lose the
animation)
vance_stevens: It is also possible to split it into several
interlinked ppt documents
jjcyd: efiwebhead-subscribe@yahoogroups.com is valid?// oh, really? use what
?
vance_stevens: You might also have a look at your pictures. If
you imported large pics and reduced them in ppt, then you might achieve the
same affect by reducing the picture sizes and THEN importing them (to reduce
the size of your ppt)
vance_stevens: The correct address is:
efiwebheads-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
vance_stevens: webheads not webhead
jjcyd: ok,let
me try again.
vance_stevens:
jjcyd: got the confirmation from webheads// Vance, my friend
Lian An praised you , saying your sound musical. I agree.
she is online,too.
vance_stevens: She sounds very musical herself. Would she like to
join us?
jjcyd: are u
busy?//won't you invite her to our conference this evening?
vance_stevens: Yes, can you tell her?
vance_stevens: By sending in your efiwebheads@yahoogroups.com
request, you get on our mailing list to know when we hold our conferences
vance_stevens: I don't think Lian has done that yet, so maybe she
didn't get the word ...
jjcyd: ok, i
am telling her now.she looks forwrd to the meeting.
vance_stevens: Excellent. There's more information at
http://www.vancestevens.com/papers
jjcyd: she is with me now.
Yahoo! Messenger:
You are now logged into voice conference -
jjcyd-122838.
Yahoo! Messenger:
an_lian has joined the conference.
an_lian: hi,
vance!
vance_stevens: Hi Lian.
jjcyd: here?
an_lian: we
will meet your stu this evening ,right?
vance_stevens: Actually they are Arif's students
an_lian: great,
it would be very interesting.
vance_stevens: They are in Turkey. Arif has been interested in
Webheads for some time.
jjcyd: hi,
nice to meet you two musical people. I admire you both.
vance_stevens: You can see their pictures if you like.
vance_stevens: I'm sure you are musical too, Dong
vance_stevens: Is it correct to call you Dong?
an_lian: what
is webhead mean on earth?// great, i would like to have a look.// yaodong's
voice is harsh but magnetic.hahahahaha
jjcyd: i have
a hoarse sound
an_lian: but
quite unique, and that is the most wonderful thing to be yourself.
jjcyd: call
me dong, yd or whatever, ann calls me bitehole.
understand her meaning?
vance_stevens: Webhead is kind of a joke name
vance_stevens: It should mean someone whose head is filled with
cobwebs like spiders make
vance_stevens: but of course we use it to mean the World Wide
Web
an_lian:
jjcyd: good explanation for webheads...
vance_stevens: Also, a 'head' in hippy times meant someone who
was intensely focused on something
an_lian: can
anyone be webhead?
jjcyd: it is
lunch time here. Vance , had your breakfast already?
vance_stevens: Of course, just send email to
efiwebheads-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
an_lian: yes,
so anyone who focus onweb can be webhead.
vance_stevens: or just by participating you are a webhead.
jjcyd: lian,
i got a reply for webheads-subscribe 2 minutes ago.
an_lian:
// i
got many letters from Vance's group.
jjcyd: vance,
do you make intensive use of MOOs in classroom teaching?
an_lian: but i
remeber the vance on photo is very fat, however, you are very slim on
webcam.
vance_stevens: my only online teaching is with Webheads. Moos are
hard to use here because of the firewall
vance_stevens: What photo makes me look fat (I have to get rid of
that one)!!
an_lian: on the
page you once project to me.hehehehehehe, don't worry, not obeses at all, only
a bit fat.
an_lian: obese---typo.
jjcyd:
//
vance, according chinese tradition, being fat for men is positive.thin ppl are
worried here.
an_lian: hehehehehehe. bitehole is not too fat, so he worried much.
vance_stevens: beauty is in the eye of the beholder
an_lian: yes,
his wife is the only one who say he is handsome.
vance_stevens: (do you understand that saying?) (to behold means
to look at something)
an_lian: yes, i
understand it.
jjcyd: Moos
are good students' to explore at their spare time. schMOOze has done that well.
Venny did a good job. and i used ot attend a MOO lecture by bj from Isreal.
/yes, behold=look at sth.
jjcyd: an , i
am putting on some weight this month.
vance_stevens: I'm not familiar with Venny's work. Does he
develop moos?
an_lian: congratulations, i am losing some weight.
vance_stevens: I'm running a half marathon Nov 9 and I ran 18 km
two nights ago
vance_stevens: on the other hand, I like a beer now and then
jjcyd: venny
does, also on tappedin and achieve MOO and grassroots // LIan does not need to
lose weight. I like to see you plump...
jjcyd: have
to leave you two now. tiem to cook and eat lunch. see u this evenig, have a
great day!!!
vance_stevens: Lian sent us a very nice picture. I'm sorry I'm
behind in my web work, but I promise to have it up on your web page this
weekend
an_lian: thank
you, can i write sth for my webpage?
vance_stevens: of course. We encourage that
vance_stevens: please do!
an_lian: yes, i
will take sometime to write a good article for it, you know good articel don't
come all of a sudden, i must write something that is qualified.
vance_stevens: You can look on our virtual community page for
some topic ideas
an_lian: yes
vance_stevens: http://sites.hsprofessional.com/vstevens/files/efi/vcommunity.htm
vance_stevens: This is where you can read what Webheads have written so
far
an_lian: yes, i
got it.
an_lian: vance,
i saw that fat photo of yours.
vance_stevens: If you find a topic you like, you can read what
others have said and reply, or just start your own topic
vance_stevens: one good way to write is to send a message to
efiwebheads@yahoogroups.com
vance_stevens: We can put those messages on your webheads
pages
an_lian: vance,
the fat photos is on the page of yinglan's topic, life is perfect? here is a
vance looks fat.
vance_stevens: Incidentally, Yaodong, I just approved your
subcription to webheads, so you should be getting Lian's mail when she sends it
to Webheads
vance_stevens: Now, about this photo (going there now ...
an_lian: probably, you are not the same vance.
vance_stevens: on this page?
http://sites.hsprofessional.com/vstevens/files/efi/perfect_life.htm
an_lian: it is you. vance, it said a
teacher from usa, in abu dhabi. a little fat.
an_lian: you
can find it on WFW:
vance_stevens: There are so many pages ... which one?
an_lian: WFW,
then there is a map, then there are many ppl's photos in a line down to the end
of the page.
an_lian: vance,
and bitehole, i must leave now, i will prepare for my lecture this afternnon
now, see you this evening/
an_lian: bye,
have a nice afternoon.
vance_stevens: ok, I was just about to find you the complete
picture though
vance_stevens: hang on just a sec
an_lian: yes, i
will hang on.
vance_stevens: http://www.geocities.com/vance_stevens/running.htm
an_lian: it is
running now.
vance_stevens: I think maybe because
I was straining my neck in that picture
vance_stevens: Interesting,
though
an_lian: i
haven't got it, are you sure you give me the right page?
vance_stevens: oh
Geocities!!!
vance_stevens: Maybe you have to go
through Safeweb ...
an_lian: no, i
cannot access there, it said i cannot.
vance_stevens: Yeah, Geocities is
blocked in china
vance_stevens: can you reach
http://www.safeweb.com?
an_lian: wuwuwuwuwuwu.
vance_stevens: If you can, maybe you
can type the url in there
vance_stevens: Moral uses it to reach
blocked sites
an_lian: no,
still cannot.
an_lian: problem report--- it never fails.
vance_stevens: I'll just have to
email it to you Lian
an_lian: yes,
great!!!!!!!!!
vance_stevens: Which address should I
use?
an_lian: anlianva@chinaren.com or an_lian80@hotmail.com
vance_stevens: There's a send file
here .. should I use that?
an_lian: yes,
you can.
vance_stevens: ok
vance_stevens: finding the
file
an_lian: see
you this evening, have a nice day.
// thank you very much.
an_lian:
Yahoo! Messenger:
an_lian has left the conference.
Yahoo! Messenger: an_lian
has logged out. (10/31/01 at 9:05 AM)
vance_stevens: I'll have to email it to her
jjcyd: hi,
still hanging on? i have cooked some soup.
jjcyd: had
yur brekfast??
vance_stevens: good idea, might have
some now ...
vance_stevens: I'm at my desk at work
...
jjcyd: have
to leave now. see you at 8 this evening? (4 pm yur time?)
vance_stevens: That's right. Ok,
thanks for the chat. See you then
vance_stevens: That's right. Ok,
thanks for the chat. See you then
jjcyd: thank
you so much bye
Yahoo! Messenger:
jjcyd has left the conference.
Rif and Vance
prepare the morning of Oct 31
arif_altun2001: morning there
vance_stevens: hi how are you?
vance_stevens: guess what, ..
vance_stevens: It looks like a class from Turkey will be in touch
with a class from Liuzhou China today
arif_altun2001: It is still early here
to make any educated guesses Þ*=
arif_altun2001: cool... that is
something!
vance_stevens: I think so. The teacher, Yaodong, was on with me
this morning and is quite excited about it
vance_stevens: I wonder if they'll be back Nov 7
arif_altun2001: I think it all depends
on the computer avaiablity, what do you think: do you thýnk they have
good facilities over there
arif_altun2001: I have arranged a
computer lab with 20 computers. But there is no internet connection. THere is
one in the building though. I will try to make it ready for Nov 7 so that I can
have more participant from here
vance_stevens: not sure. They do a lot of online work with us on
Sunday noon GMT
vance_stevens: sorry, we've got too many computers here. I've
just been called out to fix a couple. Back now.
vance_stevens: So, I'm not sure what you mean, you have arranged
a lab with 20 computers with no internet connection. How would you participate
with no connection?
arif_altun2001: that was a bonus!
vance_stevens: sorry? Are they LAN connected?
arif_altun2001: No they are not yet!
Thatis my challange to incorporate them into the existing LAN
vance_stevens: So this is just your latest accomplishment (not
related to our presentation)
vance_stevens: I meant
arif_altun2001: right! :*)
vance_stevens: cool
vance_stevens: sounds like real work
vance_stevens: how's everything for today?
arif_altun2001: just fine I have some
students here I am telling them about the China class
vance_stevens: Liuzhou is south of Guilin, about halfway between
Hong Kong and Kunming
vance_stevens: Do you have a URL for your University. Yaodong
asked about your setting.
vance_stevens: I notice a lot of your links on your pages aren't
working, Rif. Fixing those soon I hope.
arif_altun2001: www.ibu.edu.tr is
the university webpage
arif_altun2001: www.saa.ibu.edu.tr/altun is our course web site
vance_stevens: Let me think what I did with Yaodong's url ...
arif_altun2001: Unfortunatly we don't
have the webpage for faculty of education
vance_stevens: This one doesn't work:
http://www.saa.ibu.edu.tr/altun/
arif_altun2001: ignore the www
arif_altun2001: did it work
now:
vance_stevens: yes, working now
vance_stevens: So these are your CALL course students
arif_altun2001: mostly... the others are
my intro-computers for teachers course students
vance_stevens: sounds like a good activity for them we have
planned
vance_stevens: I found Yaodong's city URL
Yahoo! Messenger: arif_altun2001
has logged out. (10/31/01 at 12:18 PM)
vance_stevens: too late
Rif comes back shortly ...
arif_altun2001: hey, can we join your room while you are not there (I mean
technically possible?
vance_stevens: sorry, had to step out. You mean in Tapped In? Of
course. Welcome any time.
vance_stevens: I've got Yaodong's url
vance_stevens: http://www.queencity.com/sca/tour_liuzhou.htm
arif_altun2001: ok thnx
vance_stevens: I'm going to try to see if I can prepare a
preconference page now. Three hours to go ...
Yahoo! Messenger: arif_altun2001's
status is now "Idle" (10/31/01 at 1:36 PM)
BJB comes on
to say Hi the morning of Oct 31
bj_berquist:
good day, Vance
vance_stevens: Hi BJ, I'm just setting up
bj_berquist:
Yaodong was looking for someone yesterday to demo the
webcam for his class
vance_stevens: I think I found him yesterday, or visa versa
bj_berquist:
Oh, good
vance_stevens: just testing now
bj_berquist:
looking like your usual handsome
self
vance_stevens: it's working then
bj_berquist:
yep!
vance_stevens: ok, shutting down
vance_stevens: drains those resources
vance_stevens: I just dropped it. Scared me.
bj_berquist:
I understand
bj_berquist:
dropped what?
bj_berquist:
the cam?
vance_stevens: yeah, pretty solid though
bj_berquist:
gotta go get ready for work...good luck
with the test for the conference today
bj_berquist:
I'd log in but they frown on typing and
driving at the same time
vance_stevens: ok, see you around
Yahoo! Messenger:
bj_berquist has logged out. (10/31/01 at 2:37 PM)
The
pre-conference practice session, October 31, 2001
Vance gets
with Arif as the event gets under weigh
arif_altun2001: i am back. I was away for lunch
vance_stevens: hi, yeah, just working on websites. Everyone's
gone for the weekend now
arif_altun2001: I see you had thursday and fridays off ?
vance_stevens: that's right, need a break, too
arif_altun2001: I will take instant shot of students today as they participate. We
can post them on the website as well
arif_altun2001: shots I mean
vance_stevens: perfect. I think Yaodong said he'd take some pics
too
arif_altun2001: cool..
vance_stevens: I hope I can sort my websites out this weekend.
Lots of web jobs piling up
arif_altun2001: I am expecting problems with connecting to tapped in.. it is not
the browser thing..
vance_stevens: lets see if I can get there
arif_altun2001: do you know a yahoo user with mysailing nick
vance_stevens: Yes, that's Sue in Japan, a gentle webhead
arif_altun2001: ok..
vance_stevens: tapped in is acting strange ...
arif_altun2001: experience the same thing? It does act strange. It turns out to be
normal after trying couple of times
vance_stevens: or it could be my netscape - just shut it down
arif_altun2001: no no.. it is happening time to time
vance_stevens: it seems to be working in IE for me now
vance_stevens: yep, in my office
vance_stevens: any luck?
vance_stevens: there's an efl in my
office. Friend of yours?
arif_altun2001: yes, Fahrettin Bey
arif_altun2001: he will have some students together with him in his office for
this and the coming week gathering
vance_stevens: ok, good, he has succeeded in gaining access
arif_altun2001: tapped in is terribly slow.. it must be the server
arif_altun2001: yes.
vance_stevens: Is Fahrettin nearby?
arif_altun2001: accross the corridor
vance_stevens: ok ... there you are ..
arif_altun2001: finally
vance_stevens: good lad!
Vance and
Yaodong hook up in Yahoo
jjcyd: hi, Vance, getting
ready?
vance_stevens: Hi Yaodong. Rif and his colleague are at tapped in
now
jjcyd: yes, how about yahoo
webcam? ready?
jjcyd: heaar me?
jjcyd: i can,veryu
well.
jjcyd: webcam ready?
vance_stevens: have you got a picture?
vance_stevens: and are you able to join us in tapped in?
Yahoo! Messenger: jjcyd has logged
back in. (10/31/01 at 3:51 PM)
An-Lian joins
the Yahoo voice chat
an_lian: hi, how to join you?
vance_stevens: Hi Lian, I'll see if I can get you into the chat
with Yaodong
an_lian: yes, you haven't invite me, i don't know how to join.
Yahoo! Messenger: You are now logged into voice conference -
vance_stevens-33942.
Yahoo! Messenger: an_lian has joined the conference.
Yahoo! Messenger: jjcyd has joined the conference.
an_lian: hi, there
jjcyd: we cam hear u
an_lian: who?
an_lian: i cannot hear you either.
jjcyd: can u hear us?
an_lian: no.
vance_stevens: I'm having trouble with it at the moment. Hang on
...
an_lian: yes.
an_lian: bitehole, are you talking?
jjcyd: nl
jjcyd: vance? Ann?
an_lian: ok, now
jjcyd: ok there?
an_lian: yes, i can hear vance, how about you?
an_lian: why so silent?
jjcyd: no sound at all
jjcyd: vance is having trouble ,too.he is busy
vance_stevens: no sound from me? I can hear Lian
an_lian: i can hear vance.// how b\about you yd?
an_lian: yd, where are you now?
vance_stevens: Yaodong, I just shut my web cam off
an_lian: yd, can you hear us.
Yahoo! Messenger: jjcyd has left the conference.
vance_stevens: I got a call on my mobile
an_lian: go ahead.
We re-start
the Yahoo voice conference to enable others to join
Yahoo! Messenger: You are now logged into voice conference -
vance_stevens-35431.
Yahoo! Messenger: an_lian has joined the conference.
Yahoo! Messenger: jjcyd has joined the conference.
jjcyd: hear us?
an_lian: so how about you, bitehole?
jjcyd: cannot hear us?
Yahoo! Messenger: arif_altun2001 has joined the conference.
an_lian: yd, can you hear us?
jjcyd: no, i cannot
jjcyd: u heard him?
an_lian: i can hear vance.
an_lian: so what is the problem?
jjcyd: we can hear u? /hear us?
an_lian: yes, i can hear yd just now.
jjcyd: good.i can hear you both.
an_lian: where are your stu?
jjcyd: my ssstudents are in thelab
an_lian: why don't you speak?
an_lian: Liuzhou.
an_lian: the city of liuzhou
vance_stevens: Who are we speaking to ?
an_lian: we are talking to yaodong's student.
vance_stevens: You have to pull down friend / view web cam at the
top of this window
an_lian: can you type your name?
jjcyd: li
jjcyd:
limei
jjcyd: i
jjcyd: Li Mei
an_lian: great limei, nice to meet you.
an_lian: limei, say anything that is in your mind, don't be afraid of
making mistakes.
an_lian: great english
vance_stevens: The voice is breaking up here because my computer
is doing too much
vance_stevens: I'm viewing Rif's camera in Turkey <See a screen shot of this point in this
chat>
jjcyd: why cannot we see u?
an_lian: i can see vance.
an_lian: sing a song
vance_stevens: you can view it too.
Pull down Friend/view webcam <Find this place in
Tapped In and view the web cam from Turkey>
an_lian: an lian
vance_stevens: Are you able to see the web cams?
an_lian: no, we cannot
jjcyd: i did what u told/ no. i cannot
jjcyd: butn 20 minutes ago, we could
jjcyd: will you send us yur image first?
an_lian: great girl of appreciation.
vance_stevens: I'm going to turn my camera off for a bit. It
makes things too slow.
an_lian: go ahead
an_lian: vance, your voice is broke up.
an_lian: great
vance_stevens: ok, I think Rif is going to try to start a
voice
an_lian: computer major is a good major
an_lian: more haste less speed.
an_lian: lin hua
an_lian: right?
vance_stevens: Ling Fa is speaking now?
jjcyd: my name is linhua!
an_lian: a flower.
an_lian: great!!!
an_lian: play tennise.
an_lian: loitering?
an_lian: pilot?
an_lian: writer?
an_lian: Hubei university
an_lian: study very
hard.
an_lian: winter
vacation
an_lian: vance has something
wrong with his computer.
vance_stevens: I need to stop this chat and start another
an_lian: reinvite you
an_lian: so just wait.
Rif chatting on the side with Vance in
Yahoo
arif_altun2001: /to Vance will you wave
at us, please
vance_stevens: ok
arif_altun2001: we cant hear
you
vance_stevens: You are in our chat. Would you like to start a
voice chat?
arif_altun2001: yes
vance_stevens: Maybe that will enable you to talk to us
vance_stevens: Rif, are you there?
arif_altun2001: yes I am here
now
vance_stevens: ok, shall we try a voice chat?
arif_altun2001: yes
vance_stevens: ok, give me two minutes to turn this one off and
restart it
Yahoo! Messenger: arif_altun2001's
status is now "View My Webcam " (10/31/01 at 4:27 PM)
vance_stevens: ok, are you ready?
arif_altun2001: yes i guess you cannot
hear meright
vance_stevens: ok,starting a conference now
vance_stevens: can you hear it now?
We re-start
the Yahoo voice conference to enable everyone to rejoin
Yahoo! Messenger: You are now logged into voice conference -
vance_stevens-42948.
Yahoo! Messenger: jjcyd has joined the conference.
Yahoo! Messenger: arif_altun2001 has joined the conference.
arif_altun2001: anil,
vance_stevens: Yaodong are you there?
arif_altun2001: havacan
jjcyd: hi
arif_altun2001: hý
jjcyd: here
vance_stevens: Can you hear us Yaodong?
jjcyd: no
Yahoo! Messenger: an_lian has joined the conference.
vance_stevens: Lian can you hear us?
an_lian: hi, eveyone here.
an_lian: Download the latest version of Yahoo! Messenger at http://messenger.yahoo.com/
an_lian: no
jjcyd: hi, we can hear u all
an_lian: great
jjcyd: my name is huang yi cheng
an_lian: hi, huang can you hear us?
arif_altun2001: my name ýs
anýl from turkey bolu
an_lian: nice to meet you
an_lian: i don't how to pronunce it.
arif_altun2001: nýce to meet you too
arif_altun2001: where are from
an_lian: i am from china
vance_stevens: Lian is from Wuhan
vance_stevens: I am in Abu Dhabi but I'm an American
jjcyd: liuzhou china
arif_altun2001: how nýce
an_lian: brb
an_lian: i am receiving a telephone.
an_lian: back
vance_stevens: ok
an_lian: pls do
an_lian: yd, can you speak?
an_lian: why don't you speak?
jjcyd: hello
an_lian: hello
arif_altun2001: hello
vance_stevens: Hi Yaodong. You tried to send me a file
an_lian: how can i pronunce your name?
vance_stevens: I wasnt' able to recieve it
an_lian: you can call me Ann for short.
arif_altun2001: how about jjcyd how can i pronounce your name
an_lian: his name is yaodong.
an_lian: hi, there.
an_lian: where is yaodong?
vance_stevens: Is Yaodong still here?
arif_altun2001: we want to talk wýth vance
an_lian: hi,bitehole
jjcyd:
hi,i am li mei again
an_lian: hi, again, join us, talk pls.
vance_stevens: Hi LI Mei. Are you able to talk to us?
jjcyd: but i can only type to you
an_lian: why cannot speak?
vance_stevens: can you hear us in China?
an_lian: yes, i can
jjcyd: we have only one microphone
an_lian: can you hear us?
vance_stevens: I mean in Liuzhou?
vance_stevens: can you hear us there?
jjcyd: a boy is takingto you
arif_altun2001: hý.I am
eda and I want to talk wýth you
an_lian: pls talk
jjcyd: how abou t sing a sing together?
an_lian: so what song?
jjcyd: you say?
vance_stevens: which book?
an_lian: row row row a boat,gently down the sea.
vance_stevens: What book do you have?
arif_altun2001: CALL book
vance_stevens: an article in your book
arif_altun2001: an artýcle of you
jjcyd: i mean what song do you want to hear?
an_lian: any song is ok.
vance_stevens: I liked Lian's song. She is very musical.
jjcyd: pi
an_lian: vance, yaodong's stu will sing us a song.
jjcyd: please.
arif_altun2001: whých thýngs ýnspýred you to
wrýte thýs artýcle
an_lian: two lines of one talk, one is song and one is article
vance_stevens: I have
